关于泛滥成灾的用户体验
“用户体验”这四个字已经泛滥到负面快要盖过正面。有一些看法（绝非心血来潮，只是一直没有想好怎么样才能说的更清楚），且先抛砖于此，看反应再行详述。
1、“用户体验”是一个纯感性的东西。设计、评估、度量，都是无解的。
只有针对可准确描述特征的人群，在可准确描述特征的环境下，才能谈及“体验”。不知道什么人在什么情况下使用，就谈不上体验好坏。
2、“用户体验设计”是大过整个企业的词，很多企业穷其一生其实就是在做用户体验设计，从出生的理由到死亡原因。“给用户更好的体验”是任何企业和机构必须履行的最基础的使命，跟“活着”一样重要。
3、不应该有“用户体验设计”这个说法，不应该有叫“UED”这个名字的部门，那怕这部门大过董事会。
4、现在就取消你公司的用户体验设计部门。对于大多数企业，建议把UED跟产品部合并，或者一个叫“产品市场部”，一个叫“产品设计部”。
5、用户体验的评估和度量是一个很难的课题，没有足够的资源投入请不要尝试。但大多数企业还真是得尝试去做做，那怕成本很高，因为时代已经发展到这 个时候了。
6、请不要对人介绍“白鸦是做UI、UE的”，担当不起。我只是做产品设计的，一个纯理性的活。尚未敢自称“产品经理”。
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座好在看！
顶白鸦
完美的用户体验，是设计创新、个人的理解与用户行为的分析，web analytics，testing等综合起来的。
目前国内重视的，只是前者。
我深刻的感觉用户体验的重要，但许多UE同事在具体设计时，却无法准确的把握用户的需求场景和交互过程，由是，就变成了理论框架的支持，悲哀
用户体验其实是一种态度，一种理念，一种应该贯穿于时时处处的思想。
震撼用户心灵的艺术
UED就是用户体验的意思呀？我看支付宝有个博客叫UED吧。对是ued.alipay.com
我意先当个成功的设计师，再来谈用户体验。
现在太多人说着所谓的“用户体验”，从设计师到CXO，但是大多是赶个时髦，或者佯装专业。
很多公司的UE部门往往连产品设计都把握不到，谈何用户体验。
不如就叫“产品设计部”，让产品设计师先把设计做好。
泛滥这个词用的好！先弄清楚用户是谁再来谈体验
两个月前我曾发出这样的感慨：用户体验的春天，还远吧 http://www.shimuuu.com/blog/is-it-the-time-for-ux
非常高兴白鸦能跳出来发表这样的言论～其实这种观点我早就有了～只是，无名小辈来说显得很没有分量～
太多的时候，人们因为设计而去设计，而忽视了产品本身。
真正好的产品必定是来自市场和用户的共同认可和验证，而现在太多人把用户体验挂在口上，感觉好像用户体验决定一切似的～～
什么东西都是有过之而无不及的，用户体验的概念提出将之上升到了一个高度，但无论如何，用户体验都是从设计衍生出来的。我们设计互联网产品，使之用户体验更好，就像工业设计，使之更加符合人体工学一样。因此，脱离了设计的体验是空中楼阁。正如白鸦所说，这个词已经泛滥到泡沫的程度了，做产品的，还是塌下心做好自己的产品吧。
确实白鸦出来说这个事情是不错的，我也一直觉得现在很大程度上外界对于”UED”和”用户体验”是什么有很多误解。个人的意见也是觉得整体就应该是一个产品规划部门，强行分开UED和产品经理两边反而不合理。
好文，收藏至20ju.com
1.非常同意，没有情境勿谈体验，平常觉得很喜欢吃的东西在心情烦躁时一样不想吃。
2.目前行业内，似乎是把盈利模式作为企业的最大的点，甚至有很多都只做模式然后去忽悠VC。当然企业越成熟，用户体验就越重要，这个我赞成。
3.4.5.不成熟的企业还是需要把用户体验作为一个目标进行追求的，所有人都关注所有人都参与并且有一个严格的规范来执行，这个不是一般企业能做到的。
6.这点白鸦老师让我们内牛满面了。。。
研究用户，为了能提供更好的服务。 支持一下
上班不干活写文章
前5点举双手赞成，第6点，我介绍鸦总时，都说支付宝的产品设计师，貌似对头了。
我喜欢第6条，用户体验本身就是产品经理要干的活，还非得分出一个部门出来扯皮。
现在太多的人都在谈用户体验,真是泛滥到极点了，弄的头晕眼胀的，我想用户体验其实是无处不在的，用不着独立出来，产品的不同，体验也不同，可是它真是个体力与思维的活儿，一般人整不了的
是个人都能说上几句用户体验，这个按钮干嘛放这？这个字这个颜色是不是好？
煞有介事。
那么懂用户体验你去做产品去啊。
但又做不了，连自己的用户角色是什么样的都不清楚。现在说用户体验的人太多了。招个PM就是专门搞用户体验的！
“把UED跟产品部合并”这个观点比较认同。
我现在公司就是这么做的，或者可以说是负责产品的要负责UED。
另，关于用户体验，有这么一句话：
什么样的人，在什么样的环境里，有什么样的遭遇，获得了什么样的信息，希望解决什么样的问题。
震撼用户心灵的艺术
现在太重视SEO了,用户体验有些人忽略了!
这些话说得很实在。。。
做得一定不如想得好，但毋庸置疑正在做着那些事，担着那些责任，产品设计也好，产品经理也罢，只是个称呼而已！恐怕是完美主义情结又在作祟了吧…
文章很中肯。当前“用户体验”这四个字确实已经泛滥到负面快要盖过正面了。很多有些名气或者规模的互联网公司都成立了UED部门，有很强的跟风之嫌。
把当前的UED跟产品部合并才是比较踏实的做法。个人认为产品设计的最重要的依托是统计数据。
例如：一个页面改版了，如果转化率提高了，那就是成功了，反之，就算新版是国际大师的设计，那也是失败的。
我自己偶尔看一下各个UED的博文，除了淘宝的UED博文貌似有统计数据作为观点支持之外，其他的都是在那里夸夸其谈。
以上为个人看法，有些信息获取可能不全，如有不妥，请见谅。
仅仅是一种操作上的易用 让人更加专注于内容
再根据广大用户的反应 作出适当调整
这方面 dz pw 一直都在根据地方社区的需求进行一些调整 但因其是大众型的产品供应商 所以产品做的还不够完美 可以打65分
ue仅仅是一种感觉 ui是一种设计 产品运营、产品开发需要结合线下的需求
这几个部门可以分开来讲 但是尽量在一起办公 每周联合开两三次会 进行讨论 这就最好了
仅仅是一种操作上的易用 让人更加专注于内容
再根据广大用户的反应 作出适当调整
这方面 dz pw 一直都在根据地方社区的需求进行一些调整 但因其是大众型的产品供应商 所以产品做的还不够完美 可以打65分
ue仅仅是一种感觉 ui是一种设计 产品运营、产品开发需要结合使用者的使用需求、建议
这几个部门可以分开来讲 但是尽量在一起办公 每周联合开两三次会 进行讨论 这就最好了
望各位高兽多多指教
仅仅是一种操作上的易用 让人更加专注于内容
再根据广大用户的反应 作出适当调整
这方面 dz pw 一直都在根据地方社区的需求进行一些调整 但因其是大众型的产品供应商 所以产品做的还不够完美 可以打65分
ue是一种感觉 ui是一种对于需求理解的阐述 产品运营、产品开发就是不断的跟用户沟通使用需求、建议通过技术满足需求的手段
这几个部门可以分开来讲 但尽量在一起办公 每周联合开两三次会 进行讨论 将需求-设计解决方案-实践开发 进行整合
望各位高兽多多指教
一个产品的用户体验是分为使用体验和操作体验两部分的，使用体验主要是产品经理的事情，操作体验则主要是交互设计师的工作。用户体验设计只不过是一种设计思维，并不是一种设计方法。不过所有围绕这种设计方法所做的工作，比较难以量化考核。
并不是用户体验泛滥成灾，而是用户体验作为每个人都具备的领域知识，使得每个人貌似都具有话语权，但是发现、判定和解决这些用户体验问题则需要的是产品经理和设计师的专业知识。
白鸦终于也看破红尘了，呵呵
我倒是觉得大多数公司并没有把用户体验放在第一位，甚至很多产品设计完全没有顾及到用户体验。这东西对于很多人来说，理解是错误的，更多的放在口头上。
用户体验其实是非常重要的，几乎所有商品都会涉及到用户体验。
打个比方来说，最近很多出版商要出很厚很厚的黑白漫画书，不过这些漫画书都是16开的。这种造型完全是在模仿日本的类似刊物，而没有考虑到大陆读者的体验，想想一下一个学生拿着一本三厘米后的16开漫画说到家里会有怎样的后果？所以这些刊物的失败几乎是可以预见的。
所以，其实用户体验不仅仅是可以度量的，甚至是必须去度量的。设计者必须站在用户的角度去考虑产品的每一个微小的细节，而且最好有一群人专门去考虑这些，然后针对产品提出改进方案。
一声叹息吧，太注重了！
但愿人物角色和人们使用产品的目的做出来能有用
很中肯的说法
泛滥是好事··泛滥起码说明大家都在摸索，哪怕是假装在摸索，用户体验这个概念自从有了产品之日起就有了·只不过现在上升到了一个前所未有的高度而已，当然我还是认为UED是正确的·有时候你需要引导用户去做一些你认为好的事，当然是通过用户喜欢的方式，同样这样做的结果好坏也只能由用户去评判，失败成功只在一念之间。用户体验如此，设计如此，企业如此，市场也如此。
一切需要程长有序～～～～～～～
正无穷和负无穷是一样的～
现在啥状况？？？貌似进入死循环。。。^^
用户体验是拿用户反馈的数据决定的，作为网站来讲，某块链接14PX的字比12PX的字点击量大那就是好的体验，如此简单而以，那有上述一堆琐析？
当之无愧啊，别谦虚
事实上楼主不必纠结于这个名字，就像明明是酒店，一样可以被叫饭店，当概念成为约定俗成的代号时，你要做的只需遵从即可。
据说商城站，用户体验都很好
任何行业，任何事物，都是一个从无到有，从混乱到清晰的过程，没有哪个人，没有哪个行业可以逃脱这样的过程，对待这样的过程，请宽容，对待这样的情境，请释怀，应该正确的理解到，这只是一个必经的过程，正是因为这样的无序和混乱，才使得我们的工作变得有价值；
白鸦你太谦虚了
【我只是做产品设计的，一个纯理性的活。尚未敢自称“产品经理”】 这句让我感到震撼~~！
楼主坚强
呵呵，用户体验是个很深很广的东西，确实担当不起
[…] 这几天看到摄氏度写的一篇《烂大街的用户体验》，还有白鸦写的的一篇《关于泛滥成灾的用户体验》。他们不约而同地用一种审慎的眼光去批判地看待用户体验。能有这样的文章，能听到不同的声音本身就是一件好事，不管是赞许，是反对还是批判地继承。 […]
最后一条会让很多人汗颜。。。。
目前很多大的企业都是开始照招聘用户体验设计师了….
白牙白牙
你丫就是一烧饼
路过,笑而不语…环境很无奈..
每一个人都希望用户体验好吧。
现在连简单易用都达不到，还用户体验呢！！
就是现况呀.不过看完此文,心里有感悟呀.
[…] 白鸦写过这样一篇文章“关于泛滥成灾的用户体验”说的是已经有很多把用户体验这个词的意义给理解层负面的了，而且甚至已经超过正面。其实SEO有何尝不是呢？虽然SEO已经深入到每个站长和产品设计师的心中，但是还是有很多朋友不能正确理解这里面的用意。一个网站SEO的好坏不是光靠排名就可以说的清楚的。也不是靠PR值能说的清楚的。SEO和产品设计一样，是一个长期的过程，不是一时半会就能达到理想的效果。是一个循序渐进的过程。需要根据用户的需要而不断作出判断并改进产品的一个过程。所以千万不要为一时某个词的排名而忘记了真正SEO目的。 […]
当某人成长到一定时刻，他的言语就总是被一群人叫好，不管是不是真好。
在一些小规模的公司里，用户体验往往被忽略或被替换为某些形式上的过场，其实没有必要把用户体验当做一件事情来做，而是应该当做一种从业习惯来关注，潜移默化又贯穿始终，不见得会耗费多少成本。
用户体验设计，这个说法必须有，它的真身只能通过争吵去凸现的话，就争吵吧。不让大家叫它的名字是无法消除泡沫的。一切都需要人力和时间，新事物尤其需要。
最近的文章比较有吸引力。
[…] 这几天看到摄氏度写的一篇《烂大街的用户体验》，还有白鸦写的的一篇《关于泛滥成灾的用户体验》。他们不约而同地用一种审慎的眼光去批判地看待用户体验。能有这样的文章，能听到不同的声音本身就是一件好事，不管是赞许，是反对还是批判地继承。 […]
经常和用户泡在一起，这样比较利于创造和发现需求吧。。前提是用户不知道他用的是我的产品，他也不知道我是做互联网产品的。。。最好他认为我是他的同类，或者我是个傻瓜。。。。。呵呵，我的一点做法
当用户鄙视傻瓜时，用户就泄了底
想请问下白鸦：你觉得互联风产品经理(运营)是不是个专业的活？
偶然来到这个站，观点很独特啊
不管是搜索引擎还是站长都在追求其用户体验，可见其重要性。我的建议是在网站运营过程中针对用户的一些行为进行体验的改进，没有谁一开始就能确定怎样去改用户体验是最好的，只有在使用过程中，真正的产生了用户行为，然后对这些行为进行分析，综合网站各项指标，对网站的用户体验进行深入的修改。
你最近受啥刺激了？呵呵。我的理解是这样的：
1，企业有一个大的使命或者目标
2，这个使命或者目标在不同阶段，通过新产品/服务或者老产品/服务的变革来实现
3，产品决策者负责在每个阶段提出/收集/审核这些产品/服务，并给出连接企业目标的价值定义。该定义的承上启下者，最合适的是产品经理。
4，设计师（产品设计师、UE设计师、UI设计师、研发工程师、项目经理）在产品经理的率领下，负责对上述价值进行实现
5，产品/服务进入持续改进循环；并引入运营团队。
独立的UED有两个问题：
1，和企业目标的战略连接度不清晰
2，和用户需求的连接度不清晰
所以我也认为所谓的UED团队应该纳入产品团队，不管是交互设计研究，还是线下用户行为研究。这样，在清晰的目标之下，就很容易发挥所长，取得成就。
另外指出你的第一个问题，这是个很大的错误。用户体验在很大程度上是可量化、可衡量、和评估的，它自然也是可通过设计改进的。我在这行干了这几年，对此还是有发言权的。
又及：偶然看见淘宝ued的文章《用户体验量化方法研究》，我说的量化可不是这种。就那个文章而言，有量化思考是好的，只是需要警惕陷入细节，失了目标。
凡事皆有因，凡事皆有果，既然会出现必然有它的必要性。 不同的阶段看不同的事情，不要强求，也不要随便跟风。 做了永远比不做强。
上述solaryf算是抛砖引玉的提到了重点：
“1，和企业目标的战略连接度不清晰
2，和用户需求的连接度不清晰”
1.企业战略目标和用户需求（这里是广义概念非指具体某一产品或项目的用户体验要求）对于产品经理有什么指导意义？
2.在没有清晰的前提下，二者会对产品设计有何影响？
上述两个延展出来的问题，答案之一在于客户关系管理（CRM）。从字面上，这与楼主“以用户为中心”不谋而合，然此非彼也。
互联网企业生存的基础在于通过同客人交互产生彼此认同的价值，即企业赚了钱，客人得到了等值或超预期的服务。如何做到持续稳定的保持或扩展这种价值认同圈呢？就在于如何维护同客人群体的关系。
企业战略目标是要搞清楚企业服务的目标群体是谁，通过何种手段开启和发展同目标群体的商业关系，如何在不同时期保持或挖掘该群体的潜在商业价值。
—谁是企业的商业对象？
用户需求是个体的人在同企业接触过程中通过多个渠道/多个时间/多个环节表达的不同诉求，
企业应该动态的连续的完整的获取用户的改种诉求并通过业务（技术）手段满足之。
— 增养与商业对象进行价值交换？
一个以“用户为中心”的企业的战略目标必然融合以“用户为中心”的战术实现手段，如果缺失此战术手段的话，其产品经理如何能明晰该如何实现其战略目标呢？
一个以“用户为中心”的应用必然涵盖了“用户为中心”的关系管理功能。开拓-发展-维护（挖掘）-挽留。产品是在客人价值周期中用来实现价值交换的手段。如果缺失CRM管理的话，
如何评估产品在连续交互过程中（变化的时间和空间）中达到预期的作用。
所以首先应该抛开繁杂的产品品类，自上而下的来关注用户原始的需求是什么？如何维护与他的关系？需要什么产品满足他的要求？不同产品在客人需求的转换或挖掘过程中是否平滑过渡？有没有产生相互干扰？客人在出现困扰时，可否有便捷的出口寻求支持和帮助？
实现以“用户为中心”不能将“人”割裂在不同的“产品”当中，或只关注单一“产品”中的用户体验；“人”在不同产品中产生的体验是连续的，众多的产品未必能产生积极的协同效应。对于单一产品来说，其PD也许是成功的；但对于企业来讲有可能是失败的，因为他正在流失客人。
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每一个产品/产品间的功能实现和体验设计。
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收获颇多 感觉已经没有什么可以补充的了
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1.UED、用户体验设计、叫什么都无妨，不然着相了；
2.想要讨论清楚一个问题，必然需要先划定一个范围，因此关于人生的UED或者关于互联网的UED，只是范围的区别，非要定义一个词代表什么，也太着相了；
3.没有标准，哪来的结论？漫无目的的敲打键盘，呈现出来也只是黑白对比。
说到底，诸法空相。
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用户体验难做，却又不得不做。
说难做，是因为用户体验完全是一种感觉上的东西。
众所周知，做出一款让大多数人讨厌的产品容易，但做一款让大多数人都喜爱的产品却难如登天。于是，我们可以这样认为，在审丑方面，大多数人的感觉比较类似；而在审美方面，却是各不相同。
不建议将用户体验量化，就像是给喜欢打分一样，说有几分喜欢可以，可仔细一琢磨，最终也没用。不过，也不能否认，量化用户体验在很多方面确实是可以等同于用户的爱恶，特殊问题，特殊对待。
至于UED这个位置，的确比较尴尬，暂时看来，也只能放在产品团队中了。
挖掘客户的需求很重要
把握用户的情感很重要
了解技术实现也很重要
不然用户研究的成果只是个参考，或是一个验证，用户体验研究就人轻言微了。
白鸦老师教师节快乐！
博主的博客真简洁。
非常有理～
产品+用户体验 应该是一体的～
言之有理呀！
这文章写得太好了
只记得用户体验这词是苹果公司兴起后被果粉们当格言的
说得入木三分，太有同感。超赞博主是个有思想的人。
恩，说的很对，用户体验首先要考虑的是目标用户的特性
呵呵，用户是需要引导的。
一直想看白鸦先生的大作，今天终于找到了，确实文笔和思维都非常敏捷，一个真正的营销人都是非常实际的。有思想是好事，但是想过不做，做过不反思，反思不纠正就纠结了。
也不是靠PR值能说的清楚的。
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